My formula works because of the laws of energy tranferance like inertia and equal opposite reaction. All objects inside the universe have to fight the universe. That is to say…as you walk you have to fight gravity and inertia, etc. That is why things can only get weaker, things can only decay never evolve.

The rules are different once you are outside this universe. Cause and effect changes. But to be more clear, I haven’t built a formula for God yet. But it will involve the fact that nothingness is still something. Here is a primitive version of my God formula.

Energy is synonymous with ‘will’ and motion, that is to say energy ‘wants’ to move. Therefore empty space is still ‘energy’ because it lacks motion. Therefore nothingness is still motion, maybe nothingness is God.

I haven’t written that formula yet…

Applying your own policy to its next logical step in the causal timeline, you would have to ask, and answer, the question … What is the cause (p) of God’s brain (n)?

According to your rules, there must be one.

Unless, of course, you’ve arbitrarily decided to halt the causal chain at God, since your logical causal chain is infinitely regressive. But that would be intellectually dishonest. You can’t just claim an exclusion. Either your logic is correct, or it isn’t. You can’t have it both ways.

Nathan

pattern-(energy/different pattern)=new pattern
p-(e/d) = n

This formula represents a simple ‘foolish’ truth that has confounded many wise evolutionists. This formula simply states every new pattern (n) is a result of a previous pattern (p) minus energy (e) being divided into or through a different pattern (d). For example, if you throw (e) a mirror (p) against a wall (d) it would result in shards of glass (n).

Why is this important? Well it doesn’t just prove God’s existence it disproves evolution. The formula simply claims that every new pattern (n) is a result of a larger more complex pattern (p). This is a simple foolishness that will confound every wise evolutionist. I have presented it to many and the only response I have gotten is… well it can’t prove a specific god or theology or some may say, go read a book on evolution because the evidence is clear. If anyone has a counterargument or an affirmation please do tell.

To reiterate the argument, we know the human brain exists (n) so what was the original object or being (p) that led to the creation of us. According to the Bible…

God’s brain or thoughts-(God’s energy/dirt or clay)=human brain

Amen.

Some Christians accept science but don’t believe in evolution, they have their reasons. There may be more scientists (based on your reasoning) that reject science than there are Christians that reject evolution. That is to say there are numerous scientific theories that are accepted by some scientists while being rejected by other scientists. One can say on average scientists reject more scientific theories than Christians. Seeing that there aren’t many scientific theories rejected by the Christian community.

Whenever you are confused by the thought that Christians reject science just remember how many scientists laughed at Joseph Lister because his arguments on antiseptic and the treatment of blood were based on the book of Leviticus.

We don’t reject science we reject evolution. It is important to look at all the facts before making any assumptions. The fact is Christians reject evolution, and some reject your claims on the age of life on the earth.

I found this article on AIG’s site that may be of interest to you concerning your subject at hand. Again only wishing God’s best for you and yours. I believe you just got married so congrats. Take care, Tim

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/02/04/do-creationists-reject-science

You said, “From an early age, Christian parents have been told (mostly by their churches) that science is not be be trusted, and although never given a reason why, these parents accept this doctrine as if it were in the Good Book itself. It is here that a child is implanted with a suspicion of science. It is here that the slope begins.”

“it is the religious school who does the greatest disservice to the student, by promoting a satirized, and grossly exaggerated explanation of scientific conclusions, replacing them with theories based on little more than a well meaning clergy’s declaration.”

Your evidence for these statements are…. This is no different then “the people…most pitied”. “Their ignorance would be funny, if it wasn’t so deeply saddening.” Mere strawmen arguments. It seems after reading your posts one would conclude that christians are scared of science because of the clergy. Most of the churches I attended growing up were Pentecostal, Baptist, Calvary Chapel, Reformed, and Orthodox Presbyterian. I never once heard such silly remarks as you mention the clergy making. Actually in one of the churches I attended there were many differing views on the science. And I can’t remember a Pastor saying anything in one sermon even about the creation/evolution debate. I also went to private christian schools all my upbringing and never heard such absurd statements. My teacher was an ex-evolutionist and knew the reasoning behind evolutionary thinking and never once said such a silly remark as babies from monkeys. So to make a post that makes all churches/private schools out to be the cause of the fear of science in christians is just as absurd to me as your concern for the ignorant people. And my parents never slanted me in one way or the other. They never brought up the subject.

Now I believe that the subject should be brought and hopefully it is now in the church being brought up and in the home.

I believe many christians are skeptical of science not scared of it. They are skeptical of unbridled science that is willing to conclude anything even at the expense of the knowledge that the Creator has revealed in His Word. That is where I am skeptical. I know for sure that many many and many more scientist are not necessarily and not even close to being concerned about what God has to say in His Word when they go to do their science (and that is not a strawman at all). And so much time and money is wasted on theories that aren’t even possible granting the truth of the scriptures to be true. I am not against science but a science that is not consistent with it’s Creator can only be false science assuming there is a Creator which you and I both do. Thus any science that is heading in a direction that is inconsistent with the scriptures we SHOULD and OUGHT to be skeptical of. Unless of course the scriptures are insignificant. But that is not my position and neither is it yours.

Science is good. I grew understanding that many scientist were believers in God and many in the God of the scriptures. I was never taught in my private schooling, church, or home to fear science. But the Bible teaches me to be skeptical of any position that is inconsistent with what God teaches and therefore any science that leads to conclusions that are contradictory to the scriptures is without a doubt in my mind false though there may be some truths within a false system if you will. And those truths shouldn’t be ignored that are consistent with scripture.

Take care, Nathan.

I just wanted to make a comment that your argument is not what I have experienced and so I found your reasoning as to why christians fear science unexperiential in my case and thus an unhealthy view of why christians fear science if they even do. Christians may fear not being knowledgeable enough about a subject to be able to defend against a position. I find that in my life but that goes for anyone and that is just a fact all have to live with for nobody knows everything. Everybody will be lacking knowledge in something and they will be insecure about what they lack or don’t know that much about cause they may say something stupid and sometimes do. And you may be right that there may be some churches and private schools and parents that do what you claim they do but how many of them? (definitley not all and if not all then how many?)

Don’t mean to be harsh or rude. Just didn’t want this post to go on without a defense that this may not be the case.

Later

To deride people for accepting evolution, when we have found fossils is simply outrageous. What is wrong with believing that God created evolution? I went to Christian school in junior high and was told that Satan put the fossils in the ground to trick people. Even as a 12 year old I knew how ignorant and absurd that was and it turned me away from Christianity. I should have stayed away, far away, but I did go back for a time.

That was until I was told that even though a human being was good, say the Dali Lama for example, they are still going to eternal hellfire because they do not believe in the Christian perception of God. That is an outrageous, unacceptable claim and I do not believe Jesus Christ ever made it.

What I do believe is that the “sheep”, animals not known for a high degree of intelligence, are being misled by at worst, by self-serving, outright con artists, and at best, well-intentioned, good-hearted, but brainwashed people who indeed have fallen for the fallacies themselves.

The spiritual teachings, the morality is very attractive in a a time of rampant immorality and materially focused garbage. However, this simplicity of Satan vs God, beautiful teachings of Christ on one hand, but oops-if you don’t believe like us, you are going to hell on the other–does not and will not work. If you buy that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Its about control. In fact, if the motives are not pure, it may be the people using this fear based propaganda who taste hell for themselves.

No good Being is going to say, go ahead do whatever you want that harms others, and I have already taken care of it so don’t worry as long as you believe in Me. Hitler could be in Heaven right now based on that misguided mentality, as long as he accepted Jesus on his deathbed. Does that make sense to you?
And oh, someone like the Dali Lama no matter how much good he/she has contributed to humanity will burn in eternal hell because he rejects the divinity of Jesus.

No. No. And no. Christ came to teach Christ consciousness and Christians are engaging in major idolatry with this fixation on Jesus as God. To have a divine figure take responsibility for YOUR actions simply shows a fundamental character defect. Not only that, its been done before, or didn’t you know, the pagan concept precedes Christ.

Christianity will continue to experience this massive backlash because guess what, it is not athiests etc, but former Christians with the strongest objections.

As a sidenote, I firmly believe in God, but it sure is not the Christian misperception of God.

John the Baptist did the same thing. He preached repentance and then cursed his ass off at those who needed the preaching the worst, the religious bigots. He gave them a reason to reject his message, and they, like the dumbasses they are, took the bait every time. Yet you would emphatically support the very science that seeks to oust your God from the world of reason, a science preached by edophiles, homosexuals, athiests, murderers (abortionoh excuse me “reproductive medicine”, ethicists who preach a doctrine of clear racism and “final solution” politics (if you don’t think worldwide abortion and support of Islam isn’t about destroying whole cultures particularly western civilization and christianity, you are dumber than I thought). You throw your support to something you don’t even understand because you are what Paul called “weak-minded” and what John called “lukewarm”. You equate functional science with truth, and the two are not even related, nor do you know why that is so.

You are so uninformed of theology that when faced between a choice of choosing between functionality and God’s word, you would seek to change your interpretation of the Word to match your understanding of the science, exactly what Paul said you would do. But first in order to make the choice, you would have to have a correct theology to begin with, and you don’t even have that. You are screwed both ways, man, LOL.

Your a funny guy Mr. Science and Faith blogger.

Posts of this “intelligence” level do not endear you to anybody. In fact, they make you appear quite unintelligent. When you learn basic conversation skills perhaps you can come back and carry on a real discussion.

You also failed to understand that epistemology, which you just learned by memorizing some crap out of a theology book somewhere, has changed over time. What God required and men believed and how they believed it was DIFFERENT in 1750 than it is in 2007. Or didn’t you get the memo?

It happened about 1925, mid 20’s anyway, and it is called “the line of despair” which essentially means that because of a series of unfortunate events which I can’t bother to enlighten you to here, the modern person is unable to understand what the christian is saying, because modern civilization no longer thinks in a christian construct of upper/lower story supernaturalism.

If you are not picking up on this, read all the works of Francis schaeffer, oh say, five times, and then get back to me.

The old christian scientist became obsolete because the epistemology itself changed through history to eliminate him. That’s why modern attempts by creationists fail miserably when they attempt to become geniuses and create (pardon the pun) a new methodology for doing science. NO ONE OUT THERE UNDERSTANDS THE ESCHATOLOGICAL IMPLICATIONS OF THEIR FAITH, IT IS SO STUPID.

i’M SO FREAKING LONELY!!!!!

science WILL LEAD YOU AWAY FROM CHRIST, IDIOT, ULTIMATELY. IF YOU DON’T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THE STUFF, IT WILL KILL YOU, IT’S CALLED THORNS AND THISTLES, THE CURSE OF THE GROUND, AND BY GOD IT’S GOAL IS TO GRAB YOU AND TURN YOU INTO DUST.

What part of this aren’t you getting? Yes dominion mandate still exists, but as we get closer and closer to the eschaton, surely even a retard can understand the difference between general principles and specific applications.

So far, I have been preaching. If you’d like more concrete theology or science, just ask. You’ll have to grovel a lot, but to tell you the truth, I don’t think my fellow christians are worthy of hearing truth, I’d just as soon let them wallow in the s*** of their own making.

So unless you are reaaaallll nice, F*** YOU.