Wow, They Really ARE KVJ-Only!
Thanks to MondayMorningInsight, I’ve been made aware of the most KJVO church in the world. To be honest, I knew there were people out there who believed strongly in the KJV, but I didn’t know people like this even existed.
Here are some excerpts … (quoting from touchet1611.org, my thoughts in bold)
- The old Cambridge text is all we will look for in our purchases- all other KJB’s are being tinkered with more and more. We can’t even trust ‘church publishers’ wtihout (sic) our scrutiny of their possible changes - along with tracts and booklets and books - no one can be trusted anymore. (they really are 1611!)
- We will not willingly listen, seek out or encourage any greek (sic) in our studies or sermons - or in or from the pulpit - NONE!
- No Hebrew is necessary, either!
- The King James 1611 Bible is essential for one’s salvation. (what in the world did we do before 1611?)
- The King James 1611 Bible is the only inspired, inerrant, preserved word of God and IS the very words of God.
- Fellowship with Jesus Christ is from proper prayer and reading and / or hearing of the King James Bible! (yep, can’t fellowship with God unless you’re sporting a KJV1611)
- It will be the lack of hearing the King James Bible that will be the base of the famine in Amos 8:11-13 (man, I’m glad you cleared that one up for me)
- When we read the phrase, “word of God,” word of Jesus Christ, etc. those are referring to the King James 1611 Bible today (it’s all so very clear now!)
- Any reference to the word “Scriptures’ is a reference to the King James 1611 Bible today (seriously, I’m starting to think this site is a joke)
- The King James 1611 Bible is higher than any physical or mental experience that one sees or feels (in other words, not even God Himself could convince this guy that the KJV1611 wasn’t the ONLY Bible that’s ok to use).
- John 1:1 is referring to the King James 1611 Bible today as well as Jesus Christ. (in the beginning was the KJV?)
Also, I saw this little nugget …
We believe the KJB is the inspired and preserved word and words of God - it makes no sense to us to lean backward into the past nor is there anything ‘new’ coming other than Christ Himself.
They would have crucified the writers of the KJV had they been around in 1611 for being “new”. Oh, and this just made me laugh …
I won’t even take up my time with anyone arguing with them about the originals, etc.
Translation: I am so stubborn and unreasonable that not only will you never convince me I’m wrong, I won’t even let you attempt to do so. Take that, earthling!
Then, it all started to make sense …
I have in my past the following ‘big name preachers:‘ Dr. Peter S Ruckman; Dr. Jack Hyles; Dr. James Modlish; Dr. Samuel Gipp; Richard Jordan; Dr. Rick Sowell - along with a long long list of ’smaller’ names. Those men have been instrumental in my growth as a Christian as well as a pastor - in more ways than they or anyone else knows.
No, Mr. Preacher, we understand all too well. These, umm, “doctors” on your list make it crystal clear how you got where you are.
As far as I can tell, this site is not a joke or a parody. It’s the real deal. And to be honest, it’s not surprising at all. In fact, it is the logical progression of any form of KJV favoritism. The entire debate is rooted in extra-biblical “proofs”. And if you press even the KJVO people on their position, they either have to admit that the KJV possibly has errors, or they have to do what Mr. Preacher did here … assume the position that the KJV is itself inspired.
Press them a little harder, and they dig their heels in even further, to the point where they end up like our friend here. In my opinion, any “moderate” KJVO guy just hasn’t been pressed hard enough. Upon proper scrutiny, either he will abandon his ridiculous opinion, or he will insist on the inerrancy of the KJV by making up a miracle in the form of KJV inspiration.
Our friend here is severely misguided, that’s for sure. Maybe one day he’ll open his eyes, but if history is any indication, there is very little chance of that ever happening.
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I always wondered how these people can actually read 1611 English. I have a problem understanding Chaucer!
After spending several years in a KJV-only church, it became apparent to me that the issue permeated nearly every aspect of church function. Every missionary who came would mention it (at least in passing), every special speaker would bring it up, and in each message about standards or separation it would rear up its ugly head. That is the main reason I left the church when I was old enough to do so. Unfortunately, my family has changed from being sceptical about the KJV-only issue to accepting this belief blindly. They tought me that KJV-onlyism is ignorant and wrong, and now they feel my wife and I are misguided for using multiple translations. It seems as though once a person “swallows” this extra-biblical belief, they cannot be swayed by the presentation of historical, cultural, or grammatical facts. It’s too sad that they run people away by preaching such dogma, never questioning that belief or researching the facts…
Growing up I had a lot of friends who were KJVO but it still amazes me. I think Daniel is right. Where you find KJVO, you will likely find all kinds of other “religious” barriers to grace and the gospel.
It reminds of the time when I was a kid and my church started using an overhead projector for displaying the song lyrics. My KJVO friends were appalled that we didn’t have a hymnal because Jesus and the disciples didn’t use overhead projectors. Even a 5 year old can see the complete idiocy in that. Did Jesus sing “When the Roll is Called Up Yonder” from a hymnal?
@MinTheGap: Chaucer wrote in Middle English, two-and-a-half centuries before the KJV. It takes a fair amount of study to read Chaucer. By 1611, the standardization of the language and the transition from Early Modern to Modern English was nearly complete. By that time, the language would have been archaic, but fully comprehensible to the modern reader (the KJV was contemporary with Shakespeare, whose works most highschool students are expected to understand). Chaucer is far more difficult to read. Do you actually have trouble with the KJV? I prefer the NIV because it is a more accurate translation, but I don’t think the KJV is exactly incomprehensibly archaic.
@George
Actually, the KJV1611 (I guess you could say “first edition”) had typographical and grammatical errors that made it difficult to understand, as well as the use of words that had long been out of use by the time the subsequent editions followed.
I doubt he meant to imply that it was unreadable … but it certainly is more of a chore than it’s worth, given the vast supply of alternate (and as you mentioned, more accurate) translations.
I would question the whole “more accurate translation” quotation, but I guess I’m wrong about the readability of 1611. From what I can find, it’s roughly the same as current, though I believed that it was more middle english. I stand corrected.
It is hard to believe that there are those who claim to be 1611 only, but they don’t even use it…
It goes to show you how learning and knowledge are both shunned in those circles.
No Greek or Hebrew… only 1611KJB only…
And we wonder why there are atheists…
iggy
iggy, the original texts are about as capable of producing atheists as most of the translations.
George,
It is in the fundamentalism that many turn to atheism… and in that they turn into fundamentalist atheist…
And I have yet to see anyone find the original texts… so I am not sure how your statment can be true! LOL!
iggy
Iggy,
Believing that the KJV is the only inspired word of God is not one of the fundamentals of the faith! I wish that those in that camp would realize that!
But all I’m saying is that being a fundamentalist is not a bad thing. You just have to make sure you don’t set up a false fundamental!!!
here here. Nathan, thanks for telling us about this. Great commentary. I feel sorry for those poor souls that lived before 1611 that didn’t have a copy of the true word of God. j/k. keep up the good work
In college I worked at a Christian bookstore and tried to help a customer buy a Bible for her granddaughter. I made the mistake of asking her if she knew what translation she wanted…Yikes! She proceeded to inform me that the KJV was the only inspired version, and that those who used or translated other versions had committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which was the Unpardonable Sin, and they could never be saved.
She also told me that the cross necklaces displayed on the counter were showing the mark of the Beast, because, I quote, “the Pope wears a cross on his hat and he’s the Anti-Christ.”
I said, “oh. Ok, the KJV Bibles are on these shelves…”
Chris,
In the church I left, they would say it is wrong for you to have even worked at a place that sold other versions (perversions, they would say…)! So, shame on you!!
LOL! Chris, you gave me a good chuckle. I’ve heard the one about the Pope before, but I’ve not heard the odd logical gymnastics of relating the NIV to the unpardonable sin.
Awesome. Sometimes I think God must just laugh at people sometimes.
Interesting discussion! The biggest problem with the KJV is that it uses manuscripts and the textual variants that go with them that most biblical scholars disagree with. However there are some really fun mistakes/mistranslations like the unicorn that appears. There are also some serious mistranslations that change what the gospel/letter writer was trying to say in some NT passages.