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		<title>By: MInTheGap</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.org/2008/01/my-hero-and-a-rant/#comment-1734</link>
		<dc:creator>MInTheGap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They did wear their non-accredidation as a badge of pride for a while, stating that they didn&#039;t believe the government had a right to tell them who they could have as faculty or what they could teach.  That&#039;s probably why they didn&#039;t go back and try to get a tax-exempt status.

They definitely care about their community.  I was there for the 25 years in Greenville, and visited for the 75th year and being a good member of the community is high on their list.  I was part of the Community Relations Council when it was first formed with projects to work in the community-- festival of trees, building projects, Kudzu removal...

I don&#039;t know that the Ron Paul thing would have much effect on the community.  They have so much that they do that a lot of people already have an opinion about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did wear their non-accredidation as a badge of pride for a while, stating that they didn&#8217;t believe the government had a right to tell them who they could have as faculty or what they could teach.  That&#8217;s probably why they didn&#8217;t go back and try to get a tax-exempt status.</p>
<p>They definitely care about their community.  I was there for the 25 years in Greenville, and visited for the 75th year and being a good member of the community is high on their list.  I was part of the Community Relations Council when it was first formed with projects to work in the community&#8211; festival of trees, building projects, Kudzu removal&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that the Ron Paul thing would have much effect on the community.  They have so much that they do that a lot of people already have an opinion about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.org/2008/01/my-hero-and-a-rant/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MInTheGap
I&#039;m learning more and more as I read ...
It seems that after their loss of tax exempt status during the interracial fiasco, they never reapplied.  Therefore, they can endorse or criticize any candidate without fear of consequence.

Since they&#039;re not a church, I really don&#039;t have a problem with that either.  I think the reason they&#039;re keeping out of this election as an organization is due in part to Stephen Jones&#039; lack of desire to enter the school into the political arena, and the fact that it will draw unnecessary criticism to the school.  They care deeply about the community around them, and therefore don&#039;t want to do anything to purposefully hurt their testimony ... which is why I was so surprised at the Ron Paul event.  Many members of the community were present and I doubt they had a nice opinion of the university afterward.

Just my 2 cents ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MInTheGap<br />
I&#8217;m learning more and more as I read &#8230;<br />
It seems that after their loss of tax exempt status during the interracial fiasco, they never reapplied.  Therefore, they can endorse or criticize any candidate without fear of consequence.</p>
<p>Since they&#8217;re not a church, I really don&#8217;t have a problem with that either.  I think the reason they&#8217;re keeping out of this election as an organization is due in part to Stephen Jones&#8217; lack of desire to enter the school into the political arena, and the fact that it will draw unnecessary criticism to the school.  They care deeply about the community around them, and therefore don&#8217;t want to do anything to purposefully hurt their testimony &#8230; which is why I was so surprised at the Ron Paul event.  Many members of the community were present and I doubt they had a nice opinion of the university afterward.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MInTheGap</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.org/2008/01/my-hero-and-a-rant/#comment-1735</link>
		<dc:creator>MInTheGap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that is surprising.  Thanks for the clarification Nathan and Jonathan.

Man, there are times when you shake your head at what they do.  Personally, I didn&#039;t think that they should really be coming out in favor of a candidate at all.  I mean, I can see that they would want to have control over who comes in and says what-- but there should be some kind of rules (somewhere there probably are).

Hopefully they&#039;ll learn from this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that is surprising.  Thanks for the clarification Nathan and Jonathan.</p>
<p>Man, there are times when you shake your head at what they do.  Personally, I didn&#8217;t think that they should really be coming out in favor of a candidate at all.  I mean, I can see that they would want to have control over who comes in and says what&#8211; but there should be some kind of rules (somewhere there probably are).</p>
<p>Hopefully they&#8217;ll learn from this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, it was at chapel. I was there.  Shook his hand afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, it was at chapel. I was there.  Shook his hand afterward.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.org/2008/01/my-hero-and-a-rant/#comment-1730</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MInTheGap
&quot;I would doubt that GWB would have been able to speak in chapel.&quot;

At first, I thought you were correct.  But just now I took a look on Wikipedia and it says this ...
&quot;On February 2, 2000, George W. Bush, as candidate for President, spoke during school&#039;s chapel hour.&quot;

In light of what you said, that&#039;s actually quite surprising that they allowed him to do that (even invited him to do so), since they never allowed it before.  But there&#039;s no doubt that the university loved GWB, so I guess if I thought about it, it wouldn&#039;t be too surprising.

Oh well ... I guess we both learned something new :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MInTheGap<br />
&#8220;I would doubt that GWB would have been able to speak in chapel.&#8221;</p>
<p>At first, I thought you were correct.  But just now I took a look on Wikipedia and it says this &#8230;<br />
&#8220;On February 2, 2000, George W. Bush, as candidate for President, spoke during school&#8217;s chapel hour.&#8221;</p>
<p>In light of what you said, that&#8217;s actually quite surprising that they allowed him to do that (even invited him to do so), since they never allowed it before.  But there&#8217;s no doubt that the university loved GWB, so I guess if I thought about it, it wouldn&#8217;t be too surprising.</p>
<p>Oh well &#8230; I guess we both learned something new <img src='http://www.nathanrice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MInTheGap</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.org/2008/01/my-hero-and-a-rant/#comment-1732</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would doubt that GWB would have been able to speak in chapel.  That would have been odd or a very special circumstance.  Usually they keep political candidates out of the chapel hour (both for time constraints-- 35 mins if no hymns-- and the nature of the time).  They have had political speakers, and they usually give them a huge amount of time at night.  Buchanan, Cal Thomas, Keyes, Strom Thurmond-- all of these got space and time after class and all but the one in the FMA.

I know that they will say that they have no official position in regards to the race, and Paul got a chance to talk-- I give them credit for having him.  For the University, it would have been tricky just having him.  They didn&#039;t prepare well-- I&#039;m not defending that.  But had they given him a big microphone they may have had more trouble on their hands, especially with some of the things that he&#039;s claimed to have said (regardless to whether he actually had said them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would doubt that GWB would have been able to speak in chapel.  That would have been odd or a very special circumstance.  Usually they keep political candidates out of the chapel hour (both for time constraints&#8211; 35 mins if no hymns&#8211; and the nature of the time).  They have had political speakers, and they usually give them a huge amount of time at night.  Buchanan, Cal Thomas, Keyes, Strom Thurmond&#8211; all of these got space and time after class and all but the one in the FMA.</p>
<p>I know that they will say that they have no official position in regards to the race, and Paul got a chance to talk&#8211; I give them credit for having him.  For the University, it would have been tricky just having him.  They didn&#8217;t prepare well&#8211; I&#8217;m not defending that.  But had they given him a big microphone they may have had more trouble on their hands, especially with some of the things that he&#8217;s claimed to have said (regardless to whether he actually had said them).</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.org/2008/01/my-hero-and-a-rant/#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MInTheGap
I believe you are correct on BJU&#039;s stance on political candidates.  But they do evidently open up their campus to candidates if the candidates choose to meet there, but they no longer require students to attend, and they certainly don&#039;t let the candidate speak in chapel (if I&#039;m not mistaken, that&#039;s where GWB spoke, but I could be wrong).

I don&#039;t doubt for a minute that there was miscommunication, but the man&#039;s blaming the situation on the &quot;Ron Paul campaign&quot; was a lie.  Whether or not he had made up the lie, or had simply heard it from someone else, it was untrue.  It was the BJU staff that messed up, not the Paul campaign.  If he was honestly mistaken, then at the very least he was very quick and cavalier in his willingness to pass the buck ... which in my eyes is just as bad.  Again, it is my personal belief that all or most of this was a result of policy disagreements between the university staff and Dr. Paul.

But, I&#039;m not angry anymore.  It&#039;s over and I&#039;m fine.

(BTW, Buchanan is pretty awesome too, so you&#039;re luck to have gotten to hear him) :-)

Anyway, as far as Romney or Huckabee goes, I think they would have been (excuse the pun) preaching to the choir at BJU.  Paul actually had votes to gain from the appearance, but most of the students and faculty there already planned on voted for either one of them.

I&#039;m going to write an email to BJU, and if they respond and give me decent reasons for the poor event coordination, then I&#039;d be happy to post them here.  If I am unjustly criticizing them, I would also be glad to apologize.  I&#039;m just reporting what I saw though, for now. :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MInTheGap<br />
I believe you are correct on BJU&#8217;s stance on political candidates.  But they do evidently open up their campus to candidates if the candidates choose to meet there, but they no longer require students to attend, and they certainly don&#8217;t let the candidate speak in chapel (if I&#8217;m not mistaken, that&#8217;s where GWB spoke, but I could be wrong).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt for a minute that there was miscommunication, but the man&#8217;s blaming the situation on the &#8220;Ron Paul campaign&#8221; was a lie.  Whether or not he had made up the lie, or had simply heard it from someone else, it was untrue.  It was the BJU staff that messed up, not the Paul campaign.  If he was honestly mistaken, then at the very least he was very quick and cavalier in his willingness to pass the buck &#8230; which in my eyes is just as bad.  Again, it is my personal belief that all or most of this was a result of policy disagreements between the university staff and Dr. Paul.</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;m not angry anymore.  It&#8217;s over and I&#8217;m fine.</p>
<p>(BTW, Buchanan is pretty awesome too, so you&#8217;re luck to have gotten to hear him) <img src='http://www.nathanrice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, as far as Romney or Huckabee goes, I think they would have been (excuse the pun) preaching to the choir at BJU.  Paul actually had votes to gain from the appearance, but most of the students and faculty there already planned on voted for either one of them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to write an email to BJU, and if they respond and give me decent reasons for the poor event coordination, then I&#8217;d be happy to post them here.  If I am unjustly criticizing them, I would also be glad to apologize.  I&#8217;m just reporting what I saw though, for now. <img src='http://www.nathanrice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MInTheGap</title>
		<link>http://www.nathanrice.org/2008/01/my-hero-and-a-rant/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>MInTheGap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  First, a disclaimer, I am a BJU grad-- but I don&#039;t know how they plan for big name speakers.  I know that they stopped having Presidential Candidates come after what happened to George W Bush in 2000-- too much negative publicity for both entities.

I was there 1994-1998 and I did get to hear Pat Buchanan and when the elections were going on in 1995 I believe that that we had some politicians (did we have Dole?  I can&#039;t remember) and Keyes.  Dole got the Amphitorium and everyone was required to attend. Keyes was given the Acad Auditorium and they had people standing in the back.

Again, I can&#039;t justify being placed in 101 (though it&#039;s not the smallest of classrooms).  I also don&#039;t know that you can call it a lie if the person that said the thing was telling you the information that they had available.  It sounds much more like a classic case of miscommunication than an all and out deception.

I don&#039;t know how they estimate interest.  I also don&#039;t know how they plan for guests that may appear.  Obviously they goofed up here.  (Though I&#039;m still not sure why Paul was granted access.  One would think that Huckabee would want it given that he was preaching in other Baptist churches in the area and would seem to be a good fit-- other than two of the faculty supporting Romney.)

In any case, you&#039;re right in your criticism of their estimates, but I think the talk of lying goes over the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  First, a disclaimer, I am a BJU grad&#8211; but I don&#8217;t know how they plan for big name speakers.  I know that they stopped having Presidential Candidates come after what happened to George W Bush in 2000&#8211; too much negative publicity for both entities.</p>
<p>I was there 1994-1998 and I did get to hear Pat Buchanan and when the elections were going on in 1995 I believe that that we had some politicians (did we have Dole?  I can&#8217;t remember) and Keyes.  Dole got the Amphitorium and everyone was required to attend. Keyes was given the Acad Auditorium and they had people standing in the back.</p>
<p>Again, I can&#8217;t justify being placed in 101 (though it&#8217;s not the smallest of classrooms).  I also don&#8217;t know that you can call it a lie if the person that said the thing was telling you the information that they had available.  It sounds much more like a classic case of miscommunication than an all and out deception.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how they estimate interest.  I also don&#8217;t know how they plan for guests that may appear.  Obviously they goofed up here.  (Though I&#8217;m still not sure why Paul was granted access.  One would think that Huckabee would want it given that he was preaching in other Baptist churches in the area and would seem to be a good fit&#8211; other than two of the faculty supporting Romney.)</p>
<p>In any case, you&#8217;re right in your criticism of their estimates, but I think the talk of lying goes over the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. at least you heard about it in advance. good to hear that he drew a decent crowd. waiting to hear what ridiculous conversations you heard...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. at least you heard about it in advance. good to hear that he drew a decent crowd. waiting to hear what ridiculous conversations you heard&#8230;</p>
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